Jeremy: Why do we dream? What makes us dream?
Shri Mataji: Dreams? Now dreams are you see: there are three stages of our consciousness in the normal way – not the fourth one (turiya) that, now, you are in the fourth one – but normally there are three stages. And the third stage is called as shushupti, where you are in a stage where you are deep asleep. That time you come in contact with the unconscious, Unconscious actually enters your attention, and you start getting the information from that. But a person who is not yet realised is not yet quite awake in that state, in the sense that, whatever he records gets again clouded when he is coming back through those stages of…he comes through subconscious areas, lots of areas we can say, that he comes out of all the subconscious areas that he has got within him, and the supraconscious areas within him, and then he comes to conscious mind.
So lots of things cloud it, like covered it, so the interpretation or even the memory of the dream could be quite confused. But after Realisation you touch even deeper because you enter into unconscious. Not that The unconscious has to do anything, but you enter into the unconscious. Your attention goes into the attention and it records what it sees. The more you become Realised, the dream state will go away. For example I never dream. I mean actually I am in dream. I never dream in the sense that when I am so-called dreaming, I am actually there working it out. And I can verify it with others that I was that time with you. He says, “Yes, this happened.” So, you see, it’s a different state of mine. But actually this happens, you never have a dream, you are always in reality. But that’s a different thing. But at least whatever you record in that from the unconscious, at least should be your own. But mostly the dreams of the people are clouded, so the dream doesn’t have much meaning. But with Sahaja Yoga you are enlightened so much that, in your dreams also, you see what unconscious has to say actually. Which is not confused, which is not clouded, which is absolutely with that you are awakened. I mean, for example, you might see me, many a times, in dreams. And suggestions you will get from me. I mean, I work through dreams only, through the unconscious. But some people always will say, “Oh, I have seen you somewhere. I have seen you many a times. I don’t know where I have seen. Were you in New York?” I said, “No.” “Then where did I see you?” They saw me in their sleep, you see. But they cannot connect that it was in the sleep [that] they had seen me. They are not Realised people but they have seen me.
Yogini: Can you give people Realisation in their sleep?
Shri Mataji: No. No. I cannot. I do not even want to give Realisation to people when they are not facing me, either my photograph or Sahaja Yogis. That should not be. Because recognition is the only point in Sahaja Yoga. Modern Sahaja Yoga is only going to work out if you recognise me! If you do not recognise me, it’s not going to work out. This is the only way. This is the only key? Because so far you have never recognised. Only on recognition all your past things will be forgiven, everything will be done. But if you refuse to recognise me or you go slow with it, your progress will be slow. Which I have told you frankly. Though it’s rather [an] embarrassing job, but I have to tell you. This is a fact.
So in dream you cannot give Realisation. But in dream you might see the situation in which will be giving, how you should give. Your solutions will be suggested to you, how to approach a particular person. But you cannot give Realisation to anyone. They have to know that they have got Realisation through Mataji Nirmala Devi. As it is, when you give them Realisation, they have no value [for it]. If they don’t know me, they will have no value.
But I would still suggest that one should not go on analysing the dreams too much. Again the same problem will start. Because I know Jung and all these people did that. But that was alright at that stage because they were not Realised people, or they were Realised of a very confused manner, in the sense that they were not sure of themselves. But you people do not go on bothering about dreams so much. The dreams are coming to you to give you a solution of a problem. The unconscious is helping you in dreams. For example, when I go to India most of them dream that Mother is coming. I mean it acts like television!
Sahaja Yogi: I dreamt of you after the first time I came here.
Shri Mataji: After you came here? Not before? But there are people who have come to me because they dreamt about me also.
Now that’s a good thing. To dream about me means you’ve gone very deep. The verification comes in.
Source: Transcript of audio excerpt - Monday 26th May 1980, Dollis Hill , London , UK.
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